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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 648

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for the 14th of march 2021

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richard saunders coming to you from a

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wet and rainy sydney australia

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it's been very humid the last couple of

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days so i'm not surprised

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and a few nights ago we had an almighty

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storm come through this part of sydney

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with localized flooding and heavy rains

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and all sorts of things

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but coming up on this week's show it's

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the return of maynard maynard live

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interviews

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this week and for the next two weeks

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maynard interviews dr brad mackay

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the uh down under the embarrassing

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bodies down under

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tv doctor gp generally good bloke around

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dr brad has written a new book called

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fake medicine

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all about what he considers to be fake

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medicine lots of quackery

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and strange conspiracy stuff and of

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if you want to check out the book you

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can buy that from the link in this

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week's

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show notes but this week maynard asked

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dr brad about

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vampire facials which i've never heard

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lithium why people turn to dr google

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ozone therapy and more and australian

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listeners may well know dr brad from his

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appearances on

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uh tv here in australia following that

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it's susan gobick from guerrilla

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skepticism on wikipedia

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susan's going to be telling us about

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the case of somebody who keeps or kept

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believing

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in the face of all the evidence to the

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in this case it revolves around a

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so-called medium someone who claims

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they can talk with the dead hello dead

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how are you

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hello dead dead an insightful

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and in some respects disturbing report

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from susan gerbic

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then we have the latest newsletter from

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the australian skeptics see what's

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caught the skeptical eye of tim mendem

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this week

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then to round off the show in the trove

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since we've wrapped up our series into

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the unknown from 1950

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we're going to be looking at other

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topics this week it's biorhythms

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now some of you may never have heard of

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biorhythms they've sort of

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come and gone they're one of the few

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quack modalities that actually

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have faded into obscurity uh sort of

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like phrenology

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you don't hear much about that anymore

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if at all well biorhythms certainly had

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their day they've sort of

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come and gone well i can hear the birds

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going nuts outside the windows what's

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going on out there

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maybe they're flying from tree to tree

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to get out of the rain

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sleeps go sleep in

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yes from these cooler autumn nights all

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birds everywhere should have a nice

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stop twittering out there but anyway now

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it's time for me to run downstairs

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and have some nice uh honey toast

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on sourdough yeah sourdough bread

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lightly smeared with honey sounds pretty

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[Applause]

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here's maynard's spooky action

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look i don't know about you people but

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when i read a book i want a book that's

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got facts

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i want a book that's got action i want a

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book that's got it all going on and in

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my

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first skeptical interview in over a year

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i have dr brad mckay happy brad how are

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in person and

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congratulations on the new book thank

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you very much i've been

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working on it through the whole covert

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season um so

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yeah more than 12 months of writing it

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and i'm trying not to get covered in the

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meantime

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and i've started writing it when um

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when fake medicine was a problem and it

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just escalated after

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covert came into being so it's even more

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relevant now than when i began look for

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are english this is of course uh this is

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our very own michael mosley who does uh

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trust me i'm a doctor

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except he's a lot hotter brad's a lot

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hotter and also

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the other thing about brad is that

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you're not a smirker michael mosley he's

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a smirker i thought he's a smoker i

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thought a doctor that's a smoker no he's

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a smirker

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you don't smirk like he does and that's

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good on television brad i don't smirk or

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smoke

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but uh yeah actually have you got a new

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tv show coming out at all

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um uh not at the moment so

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mainly on channel nine doing today extra

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so trying to speak some

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um some science and medicine into uh

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breakfast television that's a challenge

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something about fake medicine you must

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get some great listener feedback on the

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channel nine show in the morning there

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i think it's creating um direction and

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making sure that we're

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keeping things on track and when we're

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talking about different health topics

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look and as a bucket of health topics in

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the book here i'm just actually looking

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sexist medicine section here um look

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i'll just read a little bit about this

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one i found very interesting

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vampire facials which we have discussed

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on the skeptic zone

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this is an anti-aging treatment that's

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been promoted by many celebrities

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including glenn's paltrow

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and kim kardashian and rather

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disgustingly you describe it here where

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blood is withdrawn from your veins and

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then injected

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into your face after going into a

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who would want to do doing that it seems

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like a very strange thing

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how do you get to convince someone to do

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that if i if someone with a medical

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degree was offering that to me

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maybe i'll think about it but people

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doing this usually haven't have they

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yeah so a lot of a lot of people will go

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for vampire facials they're wanting all

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sorts of anti-aging

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beauty treatments and there's always

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uh it was sort of designed to be similar

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to what people talk about um like prp

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therapy which is often used in medicine

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draw your own blood out you uh use a

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the bottom of the test tube

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and then you put in a syringe and then

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take off the plasma and then inject that

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knees and shoulders sometimes around

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anti-inflammatory effect from doing that

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so um so with uh with the vampire

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facials it's using that same

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medical principle but then tilting it on

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practitioners that have done it

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which just makes you look like you've

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been eaten by a vampire wow

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that sounds like something dr nick from

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the simpsons would do

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exactly so neither have really proven to

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be of much benefit but you'll probably

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get a lot more bruising and

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it looks more impressive on your

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instagram photos if you're not

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gets rid of some of the the wrinkles by

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um by causing inflammation

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and uh and swelling in your face great

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look when in fact maybe you should just

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go to bed earlier and knock off the

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got some more sleep you'd probably do

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week after week because the uh the

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causing some local inflammation is what

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we really want really so you could

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just slap yourself around a little bit

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a bit of that well often it's just the

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fluid that's injected into your face

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that's causing the swelling as well so

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nothing magical

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about the the blood that's uh that's

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being look there are some very famous

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celebrities i i won't mention

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mention their name um you can tell when

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they've just had their botox done

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devil's droop on the eyebrows because it

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bit close to the eyebrows and

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just at the end where the nose is it

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comes down can you notice that as a

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doctor straight away

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like your parents today may not oh if

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talking to my gp about my dad who's 92

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and i said look do you think we've got a

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problem with dementia he said look he's

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92. it's hardly early onset

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yeah alzheimer's and dementia is a big

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big issue

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uh around the planet so yeah why don't

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we just put an anti-alzheimer drug or

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cholinerized inhibitor

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or whatever it's called into the water

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alzheimer's by just putting

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them in so people can drink it

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what is wrong with that idea dr brad i

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think i don't think we've

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cured uh tooth decay with fluoride we've

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certainly decreased the number of people

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getting tooth decay by putting that in

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the water a lot of people think that

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it's a neurotoxin which i do talk about

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um but yeah like i also talked to quite

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and uh had many many different opinions

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and scientific studies saying there was

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fine and safe to put that in the water

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um it doesn't cause dementia as far as

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we're aware with fluoride

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there has been some talk about putting

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lithium in the water oh yeah um

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so lithium can work it's meant to be

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very calming uh but i think that there's

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a lot of people who

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would be averse to having a heavy metal

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um like lithium put into the into the

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the water

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yes because it does occur naturally in

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some areas and i noticed a bit of a

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decrease in certain illnesses

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and that's the way fluoride started but

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dr brad

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yeah so um we we found that it was

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helpful for for preventing tooth decay

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um

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but yeah it didn't really calm the

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masses from having fluoride

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probably would create people to be a

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little bit more calm a little bit less

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bipolar disorder or

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or um or psychosis with uh with some

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lithium in the water

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but yeah certainly not warranted at this

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point of time um

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alzheimer's drugs because you can't

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start too early with that kind of

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treatment can you

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well uh a lot of the treatments for

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dementia and alzheimer's disease

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are like they only tend to work for some

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people and we're still figuring out who

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they work for and who they don't work

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for

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so they're very expensive so it would be

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another reason not to put them in the

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water at the moment i don't think the

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government would be keen to uh to fund

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that

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at this point of time but they'd be

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buying in bulk so it would be cheaper

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it would still be very expensive and it

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would probably break down a little bit

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in the water over time as well

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what you're hearing listener is the

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every person like myself who never went

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to medical school even once

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not even for the day not even for the

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afternoon at the bar so when i'm reading

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things like

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pubmed i go to pubmed and look at stuff

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i can

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take away the opposite opinion because i

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don't understand what the words mean

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is this how some people have come to

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their conclusions in your book fake

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medicine

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by but they've looked at stuff and just

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not understood it not asked anybody well

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part of the book is looking at

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like why people come to those

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conclusions and so a lot of people will

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go and see their doctor they'll have a

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conversation they

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may come out confused because their

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doctor's not using appropriate language

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for them

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and then they will then go to google and

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start to look up things themselves

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so a lot of people just sort of like

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bypass the doctor these days and just go

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straight to dr google

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um and so um yeah it's like there are

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many many uh different um searches on

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google for for health problems that are

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happening every day

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um hopefully people then back that up by

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talking to their doctor about it

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afterwards

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but yeah quite often they'll just go off

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on their own tangent

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i'll ask for did you cover intravenous

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ozone therapy in your book

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um i covered oxygen therapy

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but there there were so many kooky

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therapies out there

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uh that i wasn't able to cover them all

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within within my book

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um but yeah like the the sort of like

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the theory about ozone

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is that you've got like well like two

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oxygen molecules is good

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three would be better um so if you're

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pumping that into you in in

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any way possible um that's really got to

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be good for you isn't it

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um so but then on the reverse side you

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have a lot of people saying oh well

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you're needing lots of antioxidants

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and their antioxidants are helpful for

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you so the more antioxidants you have in

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your diet

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or in your supplements and the better

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off you'll be and so it's really

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confusing with the with the whole sort

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of alternative

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medical crowd because on one hand

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they're saying antioxidants and on the

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other hand they're saying more

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oxygen in your body but people don't

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really sort of like uh

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realize that there's that incongruity

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with that with those both

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with those two statements well people

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are always going on about big

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big farmer but basically all this fake

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medicine is just uh

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is this the big placebo isn't it well i

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think a lot of it can be big placebo

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we're spending about

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yeah more than five billion dollars

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every year in australia on

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alternative medicines and complimentary

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medicines so a lot of them just don't do

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anything at all

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so some of them can actually be harmful

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for you and i'm seeing a lot of patients

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who have had

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problems with their liver function or

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they've had hormonal issues

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from buying things online or even just

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going to a health food shop and thinking

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that they're buying something that's

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safe and effective

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and it's really screwing with their

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hormones completely so

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there is this sort of like belief that

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what you're getting from a health food

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shop or what you're getting online

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must be like safe and fine for you um it

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might work

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it might not um but there there is also

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like 10

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more than 10 000 products that are

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available every year on australian

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shelves so this is on pharmacies

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and also in health food shops um

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available which haven't been

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tested so a lot of the a lot of the

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problems are with the with the tga that

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it's a

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knee-jerk reaction so once there's a

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complaint made then they might look at

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the product

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um but to actually get it on the shelf

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and sell it in australia

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the company has to just have information

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that it does what they

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say it does and contains what they say

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it contains there's no testing of those

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products before they go

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go out there well classic example in the

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early 90s i was getting lysine complex

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from to allegedly help me sleep and

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maybe it does i'm not quite sure

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um from a health food place and it just

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disappeared off the shelf

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i was having

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aches and pains in all my joints except

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my knees i was almost crippled up and

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everything i went to see professor penny

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the

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immunologist he couldn't find anything

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wrong with me there was nothing going on

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what it was the worldwide supply that

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japan had been contaminated with

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strychnine i was actually taking large

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doses of strychnine with my lysine

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complex

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and i thought a immunologist would test

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for that kind of thing but he

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i don't think he i don't self poisoning

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was not one of the things an

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immunologist normally tests for

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and yeah and he couldn't figure it out

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so so that can happen and it has

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and i remember i was annoyed when i went

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to the hill shop well how dare the

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government not let me have my ocean

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because no one had told me to be i found

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out 10 years later it was contaminated

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like that so that can happen

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yeah i i had a patient a while ago who

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was taking bon soy so

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just a regular soy milk substitute

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so just trying to get away from dairy

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products and then um yeah it

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totally um screwed up their thyroid

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hormone

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and so what they were finding was that

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there were extra extra

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concentrations of of iodine within the

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the soymilk and so this was yeah like

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making people

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all across australia and other countries

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um just having like

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hyperthyroidism because they were giving

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themselves like large doses of iodine so

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this does happen

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all the time so is that making them

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sleepy or overactive um

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overactive and tired and uh losing lots

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of weight and feeling really irritable

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and would explain a lot of people's

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anxiety at the time

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that explains twitter completely you

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mean

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there's people being a bit tetchy on

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twitter look check out the soy milk

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definitely look i'm having a great time

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having a chat here look can i come back

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to your

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house next time have some more of the

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coffee um get some of that

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some of the cashews lying around the

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front room which is great because you

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don't see that in houses these days it's

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all cards you can't do anything with it

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and meet your dog again can i go back

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next week and talk about fake medicine

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again um humphrey will be very pleased

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to see you

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and we'll get you something more than

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dog biscuits next week great

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the book's available everywhere and are

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you going on tour with fake medicine

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will there be the fake medicine tour

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which who knows you might get

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anti-vaxxers turning up oh yeah man

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yeah i can only hope that anti-vaxxers

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would turn up to a book launch

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uh we'll hopefully have a book launch in

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april uh where we're planning it at the

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moment

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uh you can buy the book on booktopia and

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amazon

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um and yeah just look up dr brad mckay

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my beautiful name

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and fake medicine and you'll be able to

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find it online

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because there'll be a link to that in

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the show notes go go over look there

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hello this is rob palmer you may have

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heard of me

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lately i've been interviewing scientists

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skeptics and other critical thinkers

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from around the world for my column in

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the skeptical inquirer

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and recently some for the skeptic zone

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[Music]

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my written interviews have included jane

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novella from the skeptic's guide to the

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universe

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mass psychogenic illness expert robert

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bartholomew

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celestia ward from squaring the strange

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psychic busting

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private i bob nygard skeptical activist

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michael marshall of the uk and even

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secular activists bailly harris and john

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de lancie that's cue from star trek

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i even interviewed believe it or not a

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magic dragon

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and another really well-known skeptic

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richard saunders

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you can find my online column with these

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interviews and more

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by googling the well-known skeptic plus

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also follow me on facebook at the

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cheers

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[Music]

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here's susan gerbic

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hello skeptic zone listeners it is susan

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gerbic from the gorilla skeptics

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projects

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and i wanted to tell you just oh this

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story

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about ken who was uh somebody that i

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found

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on youtube who had uploaded a video of a

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reading he had had with

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thomas john the grief vampire that i

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write so much about

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ken had an in-person reading with thomas

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john

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a few years ago and i wrote about this

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on an article

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for skeptical inquire called thomas john

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and the believers and it's from october

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9

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we can put it in the show notes in case

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you're interested in reading more about

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it

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today

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about you know if you were to show

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somebody

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with as much fact as possible i mean

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like

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right here here's the evidence that this

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psychic is cheating and reading your

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heart

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doing a hot reading and looking at your

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facebook page and your social media

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would they believe would they just go oh

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my gosh

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you're right he's a fraud well

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you know sometimes there's more to it

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than that

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i found this youtube video that this guy

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ken had put up as i said it was seven

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minutes long it's in person reading

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it was a show that ken had gone to so it

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was just audio

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it was an event that thomas john had

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advertised on his own facebook

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as i'm listening to this recording and

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it

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really a

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a big video or anything really super

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important i mean it was important to

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ken obviously as i was listening to it

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you know had all the typical hallmarks

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of hot read where

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you know some very specific things like

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somebody's name

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or something that could be easily found

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on a facebook page and i did i went over

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to his facebook page as well as

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a couple of my team members and we were

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looking through his facebook page and it

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was

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really obvious that they were some of

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the most recent postings

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at the time that this video was uploaded

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that

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somebody could be looking at the

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facebook page and then just relaying

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what was there something about a car

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being sold

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something about military awards

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and um a mention of somebody named anna

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that perplexed us for a couple minutes

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but we went and did a google search and

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we found the obituary that shows anna

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was married to

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ken's father years and years ago she

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died a long time ago

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that was an obituary it wasn't really

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hard it wasn't on facebook but it was on

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on an obit and so

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you know in the comment section of this

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youtube video

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ken had said some question about like

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you know

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think it's real so

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i felt like okay i'm gonna reach out to

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this guy and i did on facebook and i

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told him that i'm researching

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hot reading and um i'm curious about the

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reading he had received from thomas john

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i said

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you know some time has passed do you

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still think that it was a

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legitimate reading and that he wasn't

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reading your facebook page back to you

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and ken said oh no absolutely it was

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real

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speaking to my dead family members and

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so on

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and i said well look at your facebook

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page and i

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shared with him the screenshots we had

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taken and i said look

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here's the car here's this here's that

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and he's like no no

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um thomas john was getting at the

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at the reasons behind the car being sold

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and

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selling this car

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and you know we're conflicted about it

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and

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how we should sell or not sell it was

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you know really weighing on our

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minds and i said really and i went back

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and listened to the video again

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and nope that's not really what was

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going on what was going on was

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thomas john just said dad is okay with

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selling the car

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i'm like well that's okay yeah but you

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know if you're looking at his facebook

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page that's not

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saying much you know that's not really

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pulling up a lot of things well

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so i asked you and i said well what

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could i show you

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that would really convince you that this

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man is reading your

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facebook page or you know the social

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media posts

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and you know keep in mind that possibly

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the dead are reading the facebook pages

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and related thomas john and thomas john

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is in

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getting it from the spirit and then

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relaying it back to ken but that's kind

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of a confusing way of doing it

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seems like it'd be much easier just to

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go directly to facebook but you know

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what do i know i'm not

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psychic but i asked him i said so what

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would really

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be something i could show you to

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prove to you that he

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is looking you up and he says well the

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anna thing

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because you know there's no way anna's

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on my facebook page

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i'm like fair enough here's the obituary

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for your dad

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and it shows that he's proceeded in his

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death by his

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wife anna who died many years before

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there you go

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and ken's like no no that's that no

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that can't be it and i said well ken

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tells me

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there's no way thomas john could have

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known i was at the event

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that i was going to be at that event to

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look at my facebook page

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to be able to look and do an in-depth

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look at my social media because my

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step-sister

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bought the tickets and she doesn't have

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the same name and we're not even

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connected on facebook or anything so

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he wouldn't know i was going to be there

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and

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once we got there he didn't obviously

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know because

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you know i didn't even buy a ticket he

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didn't know my name

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so i said you know you got me there

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so how could thomas john have known you

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were going to be at this

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event if you didn't buy the ticket

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it's not in your name it's not using

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your credit card

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and once you got there you didn't fill

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out any papers or anything like that

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that gave away your name and he's like

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no no so there's no way he could have

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known i was going to be there so

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definitely he had to be talking to my

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family members so forget about the

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social media stuff he couldn't have been

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looking at it

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because he didn't know to look for it

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and you know i thought you're absolutely

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right

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so in my mind i'm thinking i'm not

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thinking he's

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he's speaking to the dead or anything

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like that still it wasn't convincing

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enough but i thought to myself

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there's something i'm missing and i just

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set it aside for a little bit and one of

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my team members who's

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who's uh really good at this kind of

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stuff

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um he went over and he says you know i

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think i figured it out and he says no

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i know i figured it out and so what my

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team member did

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so thomas john had posted the event

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on thomas john's facebook page saying

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i'm having this event on this

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day buy your tickets blah blah blah so

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my team member looked at that thread

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and inside the thread part of the way

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down

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there is ken posting here's what it says

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i'm going to read it verbatim

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i just ordered tickets for this event

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excited

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however i realized after my credit card

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approved i misspelled my email address

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dang it and then thomas john

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responds email us them your information

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i'm looking right at it i got a nice

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screenshot of it there's ken's facebook

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page right there in front and he's

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responding to an event on a day so

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thomas john

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knows what day he's going to attend and

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ken's facebook page with

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all his posts showing all the things

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that thomas john relayed to him

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are right there on the page there is no

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missing it

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and i said to myself ken just lied to me

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he lied he absolutely lied to me

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i mean really

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and i so i reached out to ken again and

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i

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thomas john

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have known you were at the event

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but here you are posting on his his

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event page with your facebook page

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and ken wrote me back

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and he said just a good feeling for me

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that i choose to follow

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i am close to death myself and i very

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much want to feel

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good and that he said he went on to say

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he had multiple health

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issues medical issues and and it's

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leaving him with very bad thoughts

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so he wanted to believe that thomas john

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was speaking to his family members

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because he felt like he was nearing

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death himself

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and i said to myself

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wow you know you could show them

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proof that they're being cheated and

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lied to

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and some people are so desperate

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that they are willing to close their

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eyes and just say

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don't tell me more i don't want to know

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that he's cheating me

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and this is a lie i just don't

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because you know of reasons

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and i thought okay fair enough he's an

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adult he can do what he wants but i felt

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horrible for ken i really did i felt

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like

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you know here's a guy with a giant sign

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on his back that says you know

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i i could be cheated just go ahead and

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take advantage of me i don't care

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just take my money you know

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it was really sad he's a it just felt

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like he's somebody that they they're

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just going to prey on him you know

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a grief vampire for sure is going to

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take advantage of this guy

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just manipulating emotions manipulating

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the situation

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for for money power

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whatever anyway

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it's pretty sad but i want to leave you

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with this story because i think it's

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interesting

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way of looking at the psychology behind

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this

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that people some people

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are going to believe you know whether we

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00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,080
prove it to them or not

855
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there's just nothing you can do in that

856
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case but i think it was an

857
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interesting look at it and

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i don't want to be a downer or anything

859
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like that so

860
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you know uh this article will be up on

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the show notes for

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skeptic zone maybe after this you should

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00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,360
take your dog for a walk or something or

864
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watch some kitten or puppy videos but

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this is the world we live in thanks all

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[Music]

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this is kyle from the data skeptic

868
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,159
podcast if you're curious about the way

869
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:16,320
data is changing our world topics like

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00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,200
ai and

871
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,039
all this craziness with facebook and

872
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,120
bots and the twitter storm and

873
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,960
how the algorithms that underline that

874
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:25,039
work and you don't want a technical deep

875
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:26,000
dive you want it

876
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,360
you know in the vernacular in a way that

877
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,960
people can understand check us out at

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00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,799
data skeptic that's what we try and do

879
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,880
i interview advanced professionals in

880
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:34,559
the field who do this sort of research

881
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,039
and then

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i get into interesting projects as well

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[Music]

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00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:41,679
we're a weekly show and you can find us

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00:31:07,990 --> 00:30:50,810
at datasceptic.com

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00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,000
[Music]

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00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,159
the australian skeptics newsletter

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number 118

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written and compiled by tim bendum

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[Music]

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hi all it says the usual

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mix of the interesting concerning and

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strange fear and uncertainty about

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covert

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has given an opportunity for

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opportunists

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to pitch their message and or their

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products to

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00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:37,279
help you cope thus creating more fear

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and

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00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:43,440
critical thinking is seen as a weapon to

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00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,320
fight this

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and it's good to see it slowly in the

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creeping in

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schools even in nigeria where

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00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,200
superstition is prone and protected

907
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and each of the following items is also

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accompanied by

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a link to the full article when you uh

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00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,039
subscribe to the newsletter and of

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00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,919
course you can do that at skeptics.com

912
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:12,080
and have this delivered into your inbox

913
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every other week

914
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,279
kiwi xmp promotes anti-5g supplements

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former high-ranking new zealand national

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mp

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planning to sell a nutritional

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supplement

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claiming to protect users from

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electromagnetic radiation

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the supplement called presidium was

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developed by

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dr marco regario an italian

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microbiologist

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known for promoting pseudoscientific

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treatments his

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other products include a microbiotic

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yogurt

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said to treat a range of conditions

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including autism and aids

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and a pill purported to reverse aging

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and

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quote extend life to unimagined

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lengths end quote this is part of a

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growing industry of pseudoscientific

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medical treatments

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that have flourished in new zealand amid

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the rise of online misinformation and

939
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conspiracy theories

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clive palmer's covert vaccine ad

941
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factually wrong

942
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a full-page advertisement signed by

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clive palmer in

944
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the australian which is a newspaper

945
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,880
questioning covert 19 vaccination quote

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contains factual inaccuracies and quote

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the tga says that's the therapeutic

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goods administration

949
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the advertisement claimed that

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authorities gave permission for the

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emergency use of covet 19 vaccines

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except there is no such thing as quote

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emergency use

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authorization end quote for covert 19

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vaccines

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in australia far-right extremists

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recruiting wellness groups and

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anti-vaxxers

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victoria police say that far-right

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extremist groups

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are drawing in new members from the

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wellness

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and anti-vaxxer communities online using

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the covert pandemic and outrage

965
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over state border closures as a quote

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recruiting tool

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in quote to swell their ranks

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in submissions to a federal

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parliamentary inquiry

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into extremism national security

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agencies report

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children as young as 13 are joining

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right-wing extremist groups

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which are getting more sophisticated

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quote they see the pandemic as proof

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of the failure of globalization

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multiculturalism

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and democracy and confirmation that

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social collapse and a race war are

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inevitable end quote said the australian

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security intelligence organization in

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americans are the most negative about 5g

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based on online searches in relation to

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5g

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uk based prolific testing used online

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analytics tool

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ahrefs to discover which countries in

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the world

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are the most negative of the technology

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as an aside

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the report actually says skeptical

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but that's not us thank you for that

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clarification

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tim it classified and grouped

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consistently recurring google searches

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by individuals on 5g such as

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is 5g dangerous is 5g

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safe is 5g harmful

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does 5g pose health risks and

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does 5g cause slash spread

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coronavirus covert 19 end quote

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00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,359
as online search is about 5g it found

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that the united states

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is in the number one spot

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as americans are the most hesitant about

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the emerging technology

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with 374 700 skeptical online searches

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regarding

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5g each month in second position is the

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uk

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with 93 400 searches a month

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and australia in third place with 32

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970 searches although

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on a per capita basis that would put uk

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first and australia second at the other

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end in

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20th places denmark with an average of 1

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410 searches per month

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teaching critical thinking in nigeria

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indefatigable skeptic

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and rationalist leo iguay reports that

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after

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a long-running campaign nigerian

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authorities are beginning to

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00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,079
allow the teaching of critical thinking

1026
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,920
in schools quote

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00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,480
i received a letter from the oyo state

1028
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,800
universal basic education board

1029
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granting us permission to organize

1030
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,240
critical thinking workshops

1031
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and introduce critical thinking books

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00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:07,760
into primary schools

1033
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:10,880
in the state and quote he says quote

1034
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,760
oyo state is the first state in nigeria

1035
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,000
to grant this permission end quote

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00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,920
so some good news there coming out of

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africa

1038
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other items here say movie interlude

1039
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,920
15 things you didn't know about bigfoot

1040
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,839
a feature-length comedy follows a

1041
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,839
hopelessly millennial reporter

1042
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,680
on the most important assignment of his

1043
00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:33,520
career bigfoot

1044
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,720
but after following a prominent

1045
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:38,160
cryptozoologist into the appalachian

1046
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,119
foothills

1047
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he's forced to answer the question quote

1048
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is a good story worth dying for

1049
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end quote a mockumentary take on social

1050
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media and

1051
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:50,240
click bait reality journalism now

1052
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,960
there's a link

1053
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for the trailer and the movie opens in

1054
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the newsletter goes on to advise that

1055
00:38:03,990 --> 00:37:59,280
the

1056
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,000
skeptics will be out

1057
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very soon in fact the digital copies are

1058
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already with subscribers and i can

1059
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,800
attest to that because i received mine

1060
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:12,480
just a few days ago

1061
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,760
in the email it has a major feature on

1062
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,000
various mind control techniques

1063
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,800
and the pseudoscience behind them also

1064
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:22,079
included are

1065
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:25,920
an in-depth look at biodynamics

1066
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,280
a study on omens and prophecies

1067
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,680
and a classic map of early australia

1068
00:38:35,069 --> 00:38:32,880
exploration

1069
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,079
reinterpreted contact with

1070
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:36,640
extraterrestrials

1071
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and the early results of a major study

1072
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on

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00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,280
also in the newsletter an overview of

1074
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,359
upcoming events including events from

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00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,680
queensland the queensland skeptics the

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00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,119
canberra skeptics the vic

1077
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,560
skeptics cafe gold coast skeptics perth

1078
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,000
skeptics adelaide

1079
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,000
and sydney now there's much more to read

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in the australian skeptics newsletter

1081
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:12,829
[Music]

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00:39:29,330 --> 00:39:15,630
www.skeptics.com

1083
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:17,410
[Music]

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foreign

1085
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:30,550
now it's time once again to look into

1086
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the pages of trove at trove.nla.gov.eu

1087
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:36,160
the online resource from the australian

1088
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:37,119
government

1089
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:40,240
and the national library of australia

1090
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,240
this is the online portal with

1091
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,520
i guess thousands upon thousands upon

1092
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,200
thousands of pages of news and

1093
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,960
information from the past

1094
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:53,359
all digitized from australian newspapers

1095
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:54,079
gazettes

1096
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journals and so on

1097
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,160
[Music]

1098
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,680
now in the past we've been looking at

1099
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:03,760
things like ouija boards

1100
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:07,119
psychics clairvoyance dowsing that sort

1101
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,079
of thing the

1102
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,760
classics of skepticism plus a very long

1103
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,240
series of investigating claims of the

1104
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,200
paranormal from the 1950s

1105
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on this week's show we're going to look

1106
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,480
at something that i've had very little

1107
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:22,400
to do with over the years

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and that is biorhythm

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00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,880
[Music]

1110
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and if you like me didn't know much

1111
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:30,800
about biorhythms

1112
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,520
let me start this segment with a look at

1113
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:35,680
the skeptic's dictionary

1114
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:41,760
at skeptic.com that's s-k-e-p-d-i-c

1115
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:45,040
dot com skeptics dictionary by robert

1116
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,599
carroll biorhythm

1117
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,319
biorhythms is a pseudoscientific belief

1118
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:54,800
that claims that our daily lives

1119
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,000
are significantly affected by

1120
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:00,880
rhythmic cycles overlooked by scientists

1121
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:03,960
who study biological rhythms

1122
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:07,200
biochronometry is the scientific study

1123
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of rhythmic and biological cycles or

1124
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clocks

1125
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such as the circadian circadian rhythms

1126
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are based upon

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00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,560
such things as our sensitivity to light

1128
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and darkness

1129
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which is related to our sleep

1130
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wakefulness patterns

1131
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:27,599
biorhythms is not based upon scientific

1132
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,319
study of

1133
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,359
biological organisms the cycles of

1134
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:32,960
biorhythm belief

1135
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,480
do not originate in scientific study

1136
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,720
nor have they been supported by anything

1137
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,880
resembling a scientific study

1138
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:43,040
the belief has been around for over 100

1139
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:44,480
years and there

1140
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,359
is yet to be a scientific journal that

1141
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,680
has published a single article

1142
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:52,720
supporting it there have been some three

1143
00:42:57,630 --> 00:42:55,680
dozen studies supporting biorhythms but

1144
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,640
each of them suffers from

1145
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:00,800
methodological and statistical errors

1146
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,680
an examination of some 134 biorhythm

1147
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,000
studies has found that the belief

1148
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,280
is not valid it is empirically testable

1149
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,240
and has been shown to be false now the

1150
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,760
article is very interesting and it's

1151
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,240
quite lengthy and it shows charts and

1152
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,520
more information but it seems to me that

1153
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:22,240
biorhythms can be used as a prop

1154
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,400
for readings and so on and i'll link to

1155
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,319
that in the show notes

1156
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,760
but let's see what the australian

1157
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:31,839
newspapers and so on

1158
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:34,960
have had to say about biorhythms in the

1159
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,470
and one of the earliest references i

1160
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,839
could find

1161
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,640
comes from the sunday times in perth

1162
00:43:48,270 --> 00:43:46,640
western australia dated the 4th of

1163
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,280
november

1164
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:51,520
1951 if you break a record

1165
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:55,200
or your neck it's due to biorhythmics

1166
00:44:02,790 --> 00:43:59,400
victoria parkman's theory ever heard of

1167
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:02,800
biorhythmics according to a chunky

1168
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:06,839
balding swiss lawyer walter schifferly

1169
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:10,560
45 now of ashburton street victoria park

1170
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:13,760
biorhythmics govern your future just as

1171
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,319
surely

1172
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:17,119
as history records your past they

1173
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,920
determine

1174
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:20,400
when it's safe for a pilot to handle an

1175
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,599
aircraft

1176
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,480
when car driving is not desirable when

1177
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,040
an athlete is likely to break records

1178
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,400
or fail miserably and when a student can

1179
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,480
pass an examination with honours

1180
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,880
what's more they indicate whether it's

1181
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:35,680
wise

1182
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,720
for a young couple whose biorhythmics

1183
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,400
may clash

1184
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,760
to consider mastermoney schifferly who

1185
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:46,160
practiced law in switzerland for 13

1186
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,440
years

1187
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,520
before migrating to western australia

1188
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:51,839
with his family 16 months ago

1189
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,640
is convinced that biorhythmics can make

1190
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,440
a success of any business deal

1191
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,760
with numerous authorities to support his

1192
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,040
contentions

1193
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:03,359
he says that it is commonly known that

1194
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:04,240
despite a

1195
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:08,079
regular mode of life our efficiency of

1196
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:08,640
mind

1197
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,000
and body changes daily for instance

1198
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:14,319
he says it has been found that all

1199
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,440
living creatures

1200
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:18,480
plants animals and humans have a double

1201
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,480
rhythmic movement in the organic system

1202
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,119
goodness the so-called male period

1203
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,880
comprises 23 days

1204
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,040
while the female period comprises 28

1205
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,119
days which has nothing to do with the

1206
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:34,160
menstrual cycle it has been calculated

1207
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:37,760
also that the peak point on the male

1208
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,560
scale

1209
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:41,760
is the sixth day and the lowest

1210
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,680
the 18th in women the peak days are the

1211
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,400
7th

1212
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,960
and the 8th and the lowest is the 21st

1213
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:50,800
and the 22nd days

1214
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,920
to these is added a third rhythm period

1215
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,800
known as the intellectual period of 33

1216
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,400
days

1217
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,480
so to put it briefly there are three

1218
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:01,520
all-important

1219
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:04,800
bodily rhythms to be considered mental

1220
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,000
physical and intellectual from birth

1221
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:11,680
each of us begins a life cycle of bodily

1222
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,119
rhythms and these rhythms shiftly says

1223
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,319
work in harmony to the mirror the

1224
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:19,520
opportunity for

1225
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,640
future success or failure first

1226
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,680
there is the minus phase

1227
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:28,400
which according to scientific research

1228
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,280
is the time

1229
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,640
in which strength and energy are rebuilt

1230
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:35,200
as this phase means a treat internal

1231
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:35,920
activity

1232
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,720
for the various organs of the body it

1233
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,079
naturally causes

1234
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:42,240
a lessening in productivity and

1235
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:43,200
efficiency

1236
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:47,200
and loss of interest

1237
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,280
in everyday happenings occurs

1238
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:53,520
and i'll just put in a note here to say

1239
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,640
some of the words

1240
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,920
in this copy are a little bit faded so

1241
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,640
i'm

1242
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:01,119
just sort of piecing together what they

1243
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,079
say

1244
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,520
we read on it's the time of regeneration

1245
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:06,800
and renewal

1246
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:10,400
of faculties then comes the plus phase

1247
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,119
the time

1248
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:14,079
of productivity when all the reserves

1249
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:14,960
are completely

1250
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,640
restored and efficiency is highest

1251
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,520
when the two plus phases coincide

1252
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:24,160
sportsmen will shatter records and

1253
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:25,280
there's little risk

1254
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,040
of dangerous consequences shifferly

1255
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,400
tells us it is advisable to undergo

1256
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,040
psychological treatment surgical and

1257
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,359
dental operations etc

1258
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:40,319
in the plus phase but he says the

1259
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:40,960
transit

1260
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,119
days from plus to minus and vice versa

1261
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:47,359
should be carefully avoided as these are

1262
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,559
critical days

1263
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:51,119
and there is less resistance to loss of

1264
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:51,760
blood

1265
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:54,800
infections or thrombosis

1266
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:58,000
and embolisms the intellectual rhythm of

1267
00:48:03,270 --> 00:47:59,599
33 days

1268
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:03,280
16 and a half days plus and 16 and a

1269
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:03,680
half

1270
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,119
days minus is important when assessing

1271
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,520
the right time for strenuous

1272
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:10,800
intellectual work

1273
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,599
cheerfully is convinced that the

1274
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:14,880
knowledge of the

1275
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,160
periods is important for

1276
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:21,680
avoiding accidents as a rhythmogram

1277
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,640
began at birth can indicate the

1278
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:26,000
dangerous days

1279
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:29,839
in our lives a number of medical tests

1280
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,240
provide proof he says of the accuracy of

1281
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,880
biorhythmic periods coincidence of the

1282
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:39,040
plus phase of the 28-day

1283
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,720
and 33-day rhythm means that the typical

1284
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,359
time of creative work in art

1285
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,480
invention and construction also great

1286
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,200
capacity in mental comprehension

1287
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:54,079
of persistence of mind in dangerous

1288
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:54,880
moments

1289
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,839
will be at its highest during the time

1290
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:59,839
of the minus phase in the intellectual

1291
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,559
rhythm

1292
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,640
and perhaps at the same time in the

1293
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:04,240
28-day period

1294
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:07,119
it will be advisable to take time off

1295
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,480
for reflection

1296
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:11,040
on the past achievements in order to

1297
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,680
restore

1298
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,640
and renew all the resources used during

1299
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:15,599
the time

1300
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,400
of the minus phase swiss air force

1301
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,520
administration

1302
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,760
found out by investigating 60 accidents

1303
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,720
he says

1304
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,520
that more than a third happened on the

1305
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:26,880
periodical days

1306
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:30,319
according to rhythmogram

1307
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,920
later prepared of those injured

1308
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:36,160
he believes physicians and surgeons

1309
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,040
should heed

1310
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:40,400
patients rhythmograms to learn the times

1311
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,359
of crisis

1312
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:43,920
when he was practicing law overseas

1313
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,720
shifa lee studied biorhythmics

1314
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,920
merely as a hobby now after years of

1315
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,040
experience

1316
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,079
at handling domestic disputes

1317
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,000
he feels that young couples can

1318
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:57,839
determine beforehand

1319
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:01,359
if they are rhythmically suited to marry

1320
00:50:08,830 --> 00:50:04,680
sportsman 2 he feels should welcome

1321
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,910
[Music]

1322
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,079
now in reading that i'm slightly

1323
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,160
surprised that biorhythms have sort of

1324
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,079
faded into obscurity

1325
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,200
there's a wealth of

1326
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,880
things you could do with interpreting

1327
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,160
charts and looking at them and

1328
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,400
convincing people and

1329
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:26,559
so on just like we see with astrology

1330
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,589
the next time i stumbled across

1331
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:35,440
something to do with biorhythms in the

1332
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,640
archives

1333
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,359
comes to us from the australian woman's

1334
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,520
weekly magazine and this is dated from

1335
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,240
the 20th of december 1978

1336
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:47,760
and it's like a short advertisement

1337
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:50,800
biorhythms have you just

1338
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,839
had one of those days when everything

1339
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:55,760
seems to go wrong

1340
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,960
have your own biorhythm chart for the

1341
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,079
next 12 months

1342
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,280
accurately plotted by computer

1343
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,240
and be prepared for the next bad day the

1344
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,559
chart will allow you to see at a glance

1345
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,359
when your critical days are due exercise

1346
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,119
more caution on these days

1347
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,119
and reduce the chance of accidents and

1348
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,559
mistakes

1349
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,119
choice of two types of chart personal

1350
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,880
biorhythm chart

1351
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,920
seven dollars one person charted for 12

1352
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:24,720
months

1353
00:51:30,910 --> 00:51:28,000
compatibility by a rhythm chart 12

1354
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:30,920
two people plotted side by side with

1355
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,280
compatibility rating

1356
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:36,000
simply send us your name and birth date

1357
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,400
2

1358
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:39,520
for compatibility chart enclosed check

1359
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:42,559
money order or bank card number with

1360
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,640
signature please allow 14 days for

1361
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:47,599
delivery

1362
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:51,280
send to computer charts

1363
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:54,960
po box c192 clarence

1364
00:52:03,589 --> 00:51:58,240
street sydney 2000 office

1365
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,599
12 harris street balmain 2041.

1366
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,160
i wonder what is that 12 harris street

1367
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,319
balmain at the moment

1368
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,640
now here's another item from the

1369
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,119
canberra times dated the 25th of january

1370
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:16,160
1979 so not very long after that

1371
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:19,520
advertisement biorhythms theory

1372
00:52:26,109 --> 00:52:23,440
in sport dismissed a brisbane scientist

1373
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:26,119
dismissed yesterday assertions that

1374
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,280
biorhythms

1375
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,559
being in the right phase helped athletes

1376
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:33,839
break world records in one word

1377
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,960
bunkum dr brian quigley

1378
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,040
of the university of queensland said

1379
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:40,880
that while internal body

1380
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:44,000
clocks might exist there has been no

1381
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,040
proof that they

1382
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:48,000
affected sports performance in any

1383
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,800
pattern

1384
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,200
he told the sport science section that

1385
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:52,559
research he had done

1386
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,520
showed athletes set new marks at all

1387
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,319
stages of their bodily cycles

1388
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,240
ron clark one of australia's most

1389
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,280
prolific record breakers on the track

1390
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,559
had performed at his peak when the three

1391
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,960
criteria physical emotional and

1392
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:10,079
intellectual

1393
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:13,760
were high but he had broken records also

1394
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,079
on

1395
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,480
critical days when the supporters of

1396
00:53:22,030 --> 00:53:18,319
biorhythms theory

1397
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,040
said he should have run well below power

1398
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,359
biorhythms are not having any effect

1399
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,839
at all on when people break australian

1400
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:28,880
records

1401
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:32,079
dr quigley said there is just no obvious

1402
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:33,119
pattern

1403
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:37,119
like clark sprint champion paul narracot

1404
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:40,480
had broken records on double critical

1405
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:41,200
days

1406
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:44,559
and when he had been very high

1407
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,000
on his bio cycle biocycle

1408
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:52,400
when asked whether biorhythms affected

1409
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,359
the setting

1410
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,720
of sports records he flashed the word

1411
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,000
bunkum on the lecture room screen from

1412
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,000
his slide projector

1413
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dr quigley said he first became

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interested in biorhythms before the 1976

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00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,040
olympic games

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00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:11,520
when he was approached by the mother of

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00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:12,800
steve holland

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00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:16,480
the 1500 meter swimmer she was

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00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,839
interested in the possible biorhythmic

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00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:22,559
effects on her son's performance in

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00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:23,680
montreal

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00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:26,720
and had begun investigating the theories

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00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,440
but his advice to her at the time was to

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00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,040
ignore them

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00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:34,079
and it would be the same now dr quigley

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00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:35,920
said that predictions of a triple

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00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,799
high could hardly improve holland's

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00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,920
performance

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00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:41,599
and a triple low would have been

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00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,319
disastrous for his morale

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00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,240
and the next item we find again is from

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00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:48,480
the canberra times

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00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,559
dated the 19th of may 1983

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00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,680
no biorhythm linked to accidents perth

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00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,200
there is no evidence connecting

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00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,440
biorhythm critical days

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00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:02,000
and industrial accidents according to a

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00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:02,559
survey

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00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:06,160
in western australia dr g skelter

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00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,040
and mr j weaver of the university of

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00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,520
western australia conducted a study

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00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,319
on a saw milling company they reported

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00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,559
the results in perth yesterday to the

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00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,520
congress

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00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,520
of the australian and new zealand

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00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:21,280
association for the advancement of

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00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,240
science

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00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,799
the survey took account of all accidents

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00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,799
reported to the company's first eight

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00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:28,880
officers during the last three months

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00:55:37,470 --> 00:55:32,960
of 1977 and the whole of 1978

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00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:37,480
and included 1239 accidents involving

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00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,799
571 employees employee details such as

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00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,319
birth dates were recorded

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and the critical bio rhythm dates for

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00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,079
each accident

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00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,280
victim determined by computer

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00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,280
critical days had been suggested as

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being associated with an increase

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in potential for human error and

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00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,319
consequently with an

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00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:01,119
increase in the likelihood of accidents

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00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,640
the researchers said

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00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,280
the results obtained in this study

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00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,640
suggested that

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00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,520
there was no relationship even when

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00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,960
biorhythm

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00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,760
critical days were measured in a variety

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of ways

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00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:18,000
or when overall serious accidents were

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investigated

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00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,599
they said the sequence of accidents

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00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,200
observed was not different

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00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,280
than might have been expected for

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00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:26,960
accidents occurring

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00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,640
randomly through time and the very last

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00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:32,559
mention of biorhythms in this little

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00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,440
series

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00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,079
comes to us from 1985 from the canberra

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00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:38,559
times once again on the 6th of february

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00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:42,839
and it's a tiny little advertisement

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00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:45,520
psychometry clairvoyant readings

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00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:50,160
also biorhythms phone 732239

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00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,470
732239

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00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,160
and that's typical of a lot of the other

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00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:03,040
things i found in researching biorhythms

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00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,799
they were

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00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,520
intertwined with psychic readings and

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00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:09,760
tarot cards and

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00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,880
astrology and that sort of thing

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00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:14,640
so there you are a fascinating look at

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00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:16,799
something that we hardly hear about

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00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:21,599
at all at all it's like phrenology

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00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,559
you don't hear about that and now

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00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,040
biorhythms has joined the

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00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:29,440
surprisingly short list in one respect

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00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,319
of

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00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:33,119
strange and interesting beliefs that

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00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,400
have been

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00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,400
well consigned to the dust bin of

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00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,599
history

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00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,040
thank you the national library of

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00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,599
australia and your hard-working staff

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00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:43,839
who set about to digitize

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00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:46,640
thousands upon thousands of magazines

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00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,359
and newspapers and so on

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00:57:54,420 --> 00:57:51,359
and i will link to trove in this week's

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00:58:10,950 --> 00:57:54,430
show notes

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00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,390
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,319
zone on next week's show

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00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,319
the continuing main art interview with

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00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,599
dr brad

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00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,920
next week maynard and brad look at flat

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00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,599
earthers

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00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,599
well that sort of gets wrapped up in

1516
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,200
conspiracy theories which is an

1517
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,799
important part of why people

1518
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:30,160
look to fake medicine and also

1519
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:33,920
conspiracies about covert 19 pete evans

1520
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,119
the former tv

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00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:40,480
chef who we talk about often on the show

1522
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,520
and social media and don't forget you

1523
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:45,760
can check out dr brad's new book

1524
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:48,079
fake medicine via the links in this

1525
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,599
week's show notes

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00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,680
also on next week's show in the trove

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00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:53,200
segment we're going to look

1528
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,960
at references over the years to dr carl

1529
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,079
sagan

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00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,880
what have the australian press and other

1531
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,480
press in the area

1532
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,720
what have they been publishing or have

1533
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,280
had said about dr carl sagan

1534
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,240
over the years well now many years ago

1535
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,680
also we're going to be hearing more

1536
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,119
about the great australian psychic

1537
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:14,799
prediction project

1538
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,480
with the piece written by relatively new

1539
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,599
skeptic zone correspondent adrian hill

1540
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:24,319
oh if only we could peer into the future

1541
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,880
well

1542
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,400
we seem to have enough trouble peering

1543
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,480
into the past sometimes

1544
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:30,240
maybe you're like me maybe sometimes

1545
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:31,599
you'd like to go into the mythical time

1546
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:32,960
machine

1547
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,760
and go and change the past correct an

1548
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:37,040
error

1549
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,000
or something like that and that's the

1550
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,240
stuff of uh

1551
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:44,960
science fiction novels i'm afraid but it

1552
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,760
does

1553
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,280
lead to very interesting thought

1554
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,440
experiments like you go back and you

1555
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,359
correct your error only to come back to

1556
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:53,119
the future where the error never existed

1557
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,640
and the ramifications it's like the

1558
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,160
butterfly effect i guess

1559
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,680
and the other theory says it's happening

1560
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,640
all the time and what we perceive as the

1561
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,520
past has only been recently created

1562
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:05,440
last week by some kid who invented a

1563
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,559
time machine

1564
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,799
but we would never know the difference

1565
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,720
so maybe in the real past

1566
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,000
i'm the audience and you're the

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01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,079
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01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,920
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01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:28,720
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1575
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,960
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01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,599
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01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,680
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01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,200
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01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:10,559
saunders signing off

1595
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,870
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01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:55,119
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01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,589
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01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,200
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01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,640
you're not sure what's going on if you

1616
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:16,319
thought that's it the show's over i'm

1617
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,920
out of here not quite every week one

1618
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:21,839
almost every week i roll a die

1619
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,680
in this case it's a ten sided die a d10

1620
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,680
and you use your whatever powers you

1621
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:29,200
like

1622
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:33,440
usually luck to predict and guess

1623
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,559
what numbers will come up and this time

1624
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,799
i'm going to roll the die three times

1625
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:40,240
and we'll have a number out of a

1626
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:41,440
thousand

1627
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,240
why not here we go but if you get the

1628
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:46,000
individual numbers along the way

1629
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:47,680
that's great first number coming up

1630
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:50,160
predictor way is

1631
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:54,000
crunch crunch crunch 7 so our

1632
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:55,680
ultimate number will be 700 and

1633
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:03,349
it fell out next number that's better

1634
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:04,559
two

1635
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:07,760
seven hundred and twenty

1636
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,440
here it comes last number

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01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:12,960
[Music]

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01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:17,359
three so

1639
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:20,960
today's winning number is 7023

1640
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:24,000
with the supplementary the extra number

1641
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:25,039
at the end

1642
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:28,720
here it comes is

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01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:31,839
a nine or we can say that number is